Wednesday 29 June 2016

Is galvanic isolation of Hi-speed USB impossible?



I have a USB isolator which provides galvanic isolation of a USB device from my PC, but only works for low speed and full speed USB. I can't find any alternative electric isolators which do provide Hi-speed connection; USB fiber extenders, however, are offered with hi-speed throughput and should provide both galvanic isolation and high bandwidth, though perhaps at higher cost?


Is there a practical or physical limitation to the bandwidth of a galvanic isolator for USB? Are actual laws of physics involved, or is this merely an engineering challenge or cost issue?


Edit


Let me rephrase my own question:


Non-fiber USB isolators cost about €100 but are limited to full-speed USB. Hi-speed USB isolators do not exist, so I assume they can not be made for €100, but would cost significantly more (€1000? €10000). At such a price, there is no market, thus there are no hi-speed USB isolators available.


The question thus is this: What makes a hi-speed USB isolator so much more expensive than a full-speed USB isolator? Is there a physical limitation to the approach used for the full-speed devices which makes it inapplicable and/or cost prohibitive for hi-speed devices?



Answer



There are definitely laws of marketing involved. :-)


Gigabit Ethernet and 10G-Ethernet have galvanic isolation. So, obviously it is possible and routinely done with today's technology.


A fiber-optic USB extender basically works a bit like an opto-coupler except that the light source and the light receiver are on separate chips. Combining the functions of a fiber extender into a single package should be cheaper, not more expensive. Using magnetic or capacitive coupling instead of optical coupling should be cheaper again.



USB is normally used for short distance (up to 5m) data connections where significant differences in ground potential do not exist and galvanic isolation is unnecessary.


There are a few applications, e.g. medical or low electrical noise, which require or benefit from galvanic isolation. All of those applications are specialized and the existing fiber extender solutions fully cover the galvanic isolation requirement. Additionally, wireless solutions like Bluetooth, Zigbee, etc also satisfy the isolation requirement (at slow speeds). In conclusion, there is probably not much of a market niche for USB isolators.


FWIW, I have used a fiber extender a few years ago during development work on a high voltage power supply sub-system. I only needed the isolation, the fiber remained coiled up on the bench.


Thanks for the links.


Edit: As for the part of the question "Are actual laws of physics involved, ..." No, there are many faster, galvanically isolated communications links such as Gigabit Ethernet, 10G Ethernet and even wireless solutions.


"... or is this merely an engineering challenge or cost issue?" Yes, as of 2018, the engineering challenge is less than it would have been a few years ago, but would still be a significant effort. But who would fund development of such solutions if the demand appears very limited?


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